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Katherine is sick, Hank is tired, we just got off a plane and it's time to talk about gorillas, pigeons, phlebotomists, and subtweeting famous astrophysicists.

We're also going to have some conversations about gun violence and yes I get a little bit mad about how certain conservatives are talking about mass shootings. I also get pretty intense when talking about Chumbawamba.

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Hank: So Katherine, uh, in the intro that I recorded I refer to myself as internet-famous. 

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: You heard that. 

Katherine: I think so.

Hank: Is that okay?

Katherine: I don't know. What else would you call it?

Hank: I don't know- well, does it seem bra- some people thought it seemed braggy. 

Katherine: Ugh. Do they have suggestions of how you should be less braggy? Or did they just criticize you with no positive feedback? 

Hank: *laughing* There was positive - there was lots of positive feedback about the podcast. But I just - I think that sometimes we, as folk, don't like to call out the things that we have that other people want. And that makes sense that I wouldn't be like- like talk about how perfect my child is or something. The thing is, I think that if would be better for society in general if we recognize the things that we have that other people don't, and discuss the difference in power balance that exists in the world, instead of being like, "no, it doesn't exist!" Like...

Katherine: "I'm just a normal guy!"

Hank: Yeah, this is not- I'm not...

Katherine: That's not true! This is very abnormal.

Hank: Relatable is lies. Lots of things in my life are normal, but not all of them, and one of those things is that I have an audience and have to think about the impact that the things that I put onto the internet will have - or should think about that. If I don't then I think I'm doing it wrong. And that's the whole point of the podcast. 

Katherine: (singing) Boop boop, badoop badoop - Intro music!

(Intro music)

Hank: Hello I'm Hank Green, and I'm internet-famous. My wife, Katherine Green, has had just about enough of my BS, and she's quite possibly had enough of yours as well. Together, we're about to take a look back at the last week by reading, discussing, and critiquing my tweets. Welcome to Delete This.

 (02:00) to (04:00)

Katherine: Excuse my voice and energy level.

Hank: We just got back from Portland where we went to see a concert and had a really great time together and saw my parents, and some friends, and, uh, so we just got off the plane, and are pretty - pretty zonked.

Katherine: I had a cold.

Hank: Katherine still is getting over a cold.

Katherine: And coming down on the airplane I got that thing.

Hank: That head thing. 

Katherine: Oh man, I can't hear very well. So...

Hank: We're doing a podcast now. We're in it. 

Katherine: Great let's go. 

Hank: (Reading tweet) "Katherine and I just recorderd a pilot episode where we -of a podcast- where we discuss and critique my twitter feed, what should we call it?"

Katherine: *Laughing* That's not even what it said. (Reading tweet) "A pilot of an episode where we critique my twitter feed.

Hank: Aghhhhh. 

Katherine: It was really good. 

Hank: That's not a great tweet. 

Katherine: Nope. 

Both laugh

Hank: I didn't know that I did that until just now. People had no idea what I meant I, I assume they meant a video thing because I didn't say a podcast. 

Katherine: Nope. 

Hank: People gave us suggestions. 

Katherine: Yeah lots of suggestions. That was very nice. 

Hank: Some of them were very good.  Nicole said 'Birdwatching'. 

Katherine. Mmm

Hank: Sir5000 said 'Don't @ me' which is what we named that episode but-

Katherine: Thats... yeah

Hank: And we discussed that name, but there are at least one other good, ongoing, successful podcasts with that name. 

Katherine. Yeah you can't, you can't do that. 

Hank: Yep. 'Twittical analysis' I really liked.

Katherine: But then you'd have to say that every every week right. 

Hank: Welcome to Twittical Analysis! 

Katherine: *Gibberish to the cadence of Twittical Analysis, mockingly*

Hank: I could do it. Ah, some other people said 'Twittique'- and I did not like 'Twittique'- that was even worse to say out loud, every, once a week. Katherine's making a face.

Katherine: Bleugh. Eugh. Oh wait, I'm getting it now-

Hank: 'Twitterpated'

Katherine: *Wheeze laughs*

Hank: You didn't get it?! I was like, I really liked this one, Twitterpated, and Katherine was like No. 

 (04:00) to (06:00)

Katherine: I'm getting the bird theme now. 

Hank: Well it's also the name of Twitter.

Katherine: I know, I forgot about the fact that there was a bird, and that's what the 'Birdwatching' one was about. 

Hank: Yeah. 

Katherine: I'm dumb. Nice

Hank: Okay. Yeah, there's a bird. Twitter, Twitter is tweets, that's birds.

Katherine: YES I'm there, I, thanks...We don't have to...

Hank: 'I call the next Twitness' from Jason

*Both laugh*

Hank: And then sir5000 again, as well as 'Don't @ me', suggested 'Delete This' but with the meme-ified spelling, from the 2016 meme. I assume that, I don't know if that's pronounced 'de-let this' or not. But I decided to go with 'Delete This' with the full normal spelling so that people wouldn't be confused when they were maybe looking it up. 

Katherine: There is, an, another podcast called 'Delete This'.

Hank: There is not, there is a podcast called 'Delete This Podcast'- 

Katherine: Oh. 

Hank: The idea is to delete this podcast, it's not called THE delete this podcast or anything. So, I felt as if we were safe naming our podcast Delete This. 

Katherine: Whatever. It's not like you would get confused, comin' to this podcast to be somethin' different. 

Hank: Yeah, it'd be... yep. 

Katherine: Somethin' real different, guys. 

Hank: Trademark is so 1999. Um, do you wanna tell me to delete a tweet every week?

Katherine: Ummmm...

Hank: Like you have the power to delete one of my tweets a week?

Katherine: Yeah, if I want to. 

Hank: Okay. Do you have anything that you think maybe is deletable from this week?

Katherine: Hmmm I'll let you know when we get there. 

Hank: Okay, well I may not have put it in the, in the, so we've decided to not do every single tweet-

Katherine: Yeah, that's probably...

Hank: That was a bad idea. It got a little bit, a little bit repetetive. 

Katherine: Yeah that's probably a good idea. 

Hank: Um, so, but, now we're gonna jump into a little bit of recap of the week, if you remember, early last week, a think happened that caused me to tweet this. 

 (06:00) to (08:00)

Hank: 'Judging from my twitter feed right now, I am supposed to learn the name of another ridiculous Trump aide, but I'm going to remember the name of the woman I met at pilates today instead- her name was Miranda, she seemed nice.' Do you remember who this person was, that was going on news shows and being dumb?

Katherine: No, because I don't... I haven't been able to engage in that way.

Hank: Yeah. You don't, did you even, did that even hit your radar?

Katherine: Not really. Maybe, something, a woman, she was blonde.

Hank: No, different.

Katherine: Okay then no.

Hank: This was a guy who was like, going on the news shows and saying 'I got subpoenaed by Mueller or Mueller however it's pronounced but I'm not gonna do it, I'm gonna rip that subpoena up! I'm not gonna go on that- that's all hooey!'

Katherine: *Laughing* 

Hank: 'I'm just gonna take that piece of paper and tear it!' And it was like, sort of-

Katherine: No that did not...happen to me

Hank: I mean, it was the WHOLE feed, every, like 90% of tweets I was seeing were about this.

Katherine: Let's see, what was I doing on March fifth? Not. That. I got a massage that day, instead. 

Hank: That was probably a better thing to do. And we went to pilates together, which was great. And now that's SO gone, it was so, it was such a big story, everybody was talking about it, and it is...I can't remember his name.

Katherine: Well Monday comes along, and everybody's like 'what happened? Give me something to talk about that's not the work I'm 'sposed to be doing here at work!'

Hank: There's probably some truth to that.

Katherine: Or like, 'I need to make some content, what's the hottest take on the plate?'

Hank: And 'we need to get some guests on our cable news shows, so like, everybody will have this guy'- and I can't remember his name. Which is great, that's what I said I was gonna do, was not remember his name, and I succeeded! 

Katherine: That's a good job, however you did...lie about the second part of this tweet...

Hank: That's not true-

Katherine: Okaaay

 (08:00) to (10:00)

Hank: I did meet a woman at pilates- I can't remember her name, it was not Miranda.

Katherine: Correct, that's, so how is that not a lie?

Hank: Okay, well it is, uh, to be fair, I remembered her name when I tweeted this. I fake-named, because I didn't wanna-

Katherine: Ah

Hank: So I gave a fake name

Katherine: Ah okay

Hank: But now I have forgotten the real name.

Katherine: Okay, fine. 

Hank: She's the instructor with the calves. She looks like the, she looks like uh, the woman from Chocolat...

Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: Moving on, same day, 'My phebotomist today was very open with the news that she was quite new to the field of poking people with needles. She did a great job though, everybody has a first day.' This tweet went through some revisions. 

Katherine: Yeah, I believe it, because that's not the story I heard.

Both laugh

Katherine: And this is just the thing, like, making these little things for people. 

Hank: They're pieces of content.

Katherine: You're not making them for me.

Hank: No

Katherine: You're not making them for you.

Hank: A little bit for me, like I'll remember what that was about.

Katherine: Yeah I guess...

Hank: But like, and also, like, this is true, nothing in this tweet isnt true!

Katherine: Right, everybody had a first day, sure, but I think you were like, and yeah, how do I say this and make it...

Hank: Mr Rogers-worthy

Katherine: Exactly

Both giggle

Katherine: W.W.M.R.D

Hank: Let me give you a quote from a conversation I had with my phlebotomist. This is the people who take your blood at the hospital. 'Is this a vein or an artery?' This was not me speaking, this was the person who's tasked with removing my blood. I dunno, I feel like, look, I'm a young man, I have healthy blood pressure and healthy vein-size, diameter, she probably takes a lot of blood from people who don't have nice beefy veins like I do, and was maybe surprised by the...the ease with which she could locate my vein. But... I don't need to hear it.

 (10:00) to (12:00)

Katherine: Don't you get like anatomy...stuff?

Hank: I assume, yeah. Uh, so I was like 'well, there's only one way to find out!' I've had my blood taken so many times that it's not, and I was like 'she's got her finger on my vein', like I know that that's my vein, and

Katherine: That's the one

Hank: That's the one they take it out of, and uh, yeah

Katherine: You weren't really worried

Hank: I was not, I wasn't not worried that she was gonna hit an artery, and um, but I, if she did hit an artery... whatever, that's okay, I would've bled a bunch.

Katherine: Just a slightly troubling thing for the person who's about to nedle you to say. 

Hank: It did seem, there was some oversharing.

Katherine: And I think your like, ability to be like 'cool, go for it' is amazing, because I would have been like 'Hey now, no no, hands off the person, at the moment.'

Hank: 'Next phebotomist!'

Katherine: 'Can we get at least maybe a third party in here?'

Hank: Yeah.

Katherine: Who can be like 'that's the one honey'

Hank: 'You touch my vein and tell if it's an artery or not.'

Katherine: Yeah, uhhh.

Hank: I've gotten poked a lot of times.

Katherine: Yeah, well, all the more reason to be like 'Do it right.' 

Hank: Yeah I wouldn't want to mess that vein up, it's real good.

Katherine: *laughing* It's a good one

Hank: I have, I have uh, if they go in my left arm sometimes there's trouble, so I just make 'em do my right and uh...

Katherine: Yeah my left arm is less good than my right arm.

Hank: Yeah so I just give them that good one, and if they mess that one up I wouldn't like it. I don't know what happens

Katherine: Probably just cuz of the handedness, do you think maybe?

Hank: Yeah yeah, you use your right arm more so there's more blood supply to it. 

Katherine: Weird. 

Hank: Uh huh. You can tell, you can totally see it

Katherine: Totally, I mean like, I'm looking at both of my arms and my right arm is like, 'veiny mother!' and my left arm is like 'hello?' 

 (12:00) to (14:00)

Katherine: ...and my left arm is like, "Hello? Anyone? Is anyone there?
Hank: I am a sweet, delicate piece of human machinery
Katherine: *laughing*
Hank: I can do nothing well
Katherine: Right? *high voiced* I'm just here to balance it out
Hank: Yeah it'd be real weird if we didn't have, um, the second hand. "I'm there to hold something while the other hand does something to it
Katherine: Right. 
Hank: Does, does something useful. Uhh...
Katherine: So weird when you start thinking about your body.
Hank: Oh God. 
Katherine: In terms of strength. Like, my left side of my body, just like, I don't even have as much proprioception - 
Hank: Yeah. 
Katherine: Over there. I'm like, I don't know where my elbow is! On my left side.  
Hank: Yeah.
Katherine: And, I'm like, very aware of my whole right arm.
Hank. Mmhmm.
Katherine: Yeah. 
Hank: Yeah, your brain, like, as you, like you just, there isn't enough motor cortex.
Katherine: Yeah.
Hank: To do it everywhere. 
Katherine: It's Cuckoo.
Hank: It's cuckoo? Alright.
Katherine: That is cuckoo!
Hank: *laughs* It's one of our many taglines!
Katherine: I'm making phrases guys. I'm... Just let me know if you liked 'cuckoo'. I'll bring it back.
Hank: *laughs* Our next tweet, from that same day, uhh, March 5th, which to be clear is - was Saturday? 
Katherine: Monday.
Hank: Monday. What am I looking at?
Katherine: You're in April. *laughs*
Hank: I'm looking at April. Wait that's the wrong way. Wait, no which way is March?
Katherine: Oh my God...
Hank: I'm really bad with months.
Katherine: Hank's bad at months. Just go to today, sweet boy. 
Hank: Ok. 
Katherine: And then, backwards.
Hank:  You're the best! *laughs* So that was, we're still hanging out here on Monday. 
Katherine: Real good at internet.
Hank: *sighs* Shush. Tell me - 
Katherine:  *laughs*
Hank: So, somebody tweeted, I don't know who this is: "When will I know I'm an adult? Me: When you have a favourite spatula." This rang true with me and a number of other people so I quote tweeted this.  We'll talk about quote tweets later in the episode. 
Katherine: Great.
Hank: And I said, "Tell me about your favourite spatula!" And I got some people to tell me.

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Hank: So what's your favorite spatula, Katherine?

Katherine: What type of spatula are you talking about? Are you talking about a flipper or are you talking about a scraper? Cause—

Hank: Right, I did not know—

Katherine: That word can be used to mean two different things.

Hank: I did not know about, like, the thing that efficiently removes pancake batter from a bowl that was called a spatula.

Katherine: That's what I think of when I think of spatula, although I do use—

Hank: Is that a New England thing?

Katherine: Though I do use the other—the other—that word to mean—

Hank: The flipper

Katherine: The flipper too. Because—

Hank: That I one hundred percent had never heard until I met you.

Katherine: I don't know if it is a—

Hank: Connecticut? Yeah.

Katherine: But, uh, I mean, I think I, I guess maybe I like the red one.

Hank: Oh, really?

Katherine: Like the red spatula. No, the scraper.

Hank: Oh, the red scraper. Yeah, that one's nice.

Katherine: Scraper. I don't really like the red or blue ones, I don't know why we have continued to keep—

Hank: No, God

Katherine: Keep those.

Hank: We should throw them away, they're so—

Katherine: We should probably just get rid of them.

Hank: Sticky. Everything sticks to them. Why were they even made?

Katherine: I don't know, I thought they were gonna be real good, 'cause they were so thin.

Hank: Yeah

Katherine: But they did not, they did not—

Hank: No.

Katherine: Not turn out good.

Hank: Eggs are like "mmm, I love it, I'm just gonna get all up in it and stay there forever."

Katherine: [laughs]

Hank: You wanna clean it? Spend some time.

Katherine: We should get rid of those, then.

Hank: That's not what I wanna hear.

Katherine: Feel free to remove those from—

Hank: But the one you got, I really like it. It's good for the eggs. I don't know where you got that one, but—

Katherine: It's got the silicone on it.

Hank: Yeah, it's a silicone flipper. All right. My love. We've reached the twenty minute mark in our podcast, which means—

Hank: Yeah, silicone is the chemical compound, not the element—

Hank: Which means we're gonna talk about the most liked tweet of my timeline of the week. Is that okay?

Katherine: I think you should maybe, uh, work on making that a smaller phrase.

Hank: We'll get there.

Katherine: Okay.

Hank: Our top tweet of the week, like you did last week?

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: It's not my top tweet, though, it's just my most liked tweet.

Katherine: Okay.

Hank: Lauren—and this was in my video I talked about—Lauren Lapkus says older siblings are the original influencers.

 (16:00) to (18:00)

Hank: "When I was little my brother said sausage pizza was gross and I didn't eat it again for twenty years." And I quote tweeted this and said "My brother thought it was a good idea to make video blogs. And people liked that because they like how me and John are buds.

Katherine: Brothers!

Hank: Brothers.

Katherine: Brothers!

Hank: You like a lot of my tweets.

Katherine: I like all of them, usually. I like all of them. I like the ones that aren't, like, blatantly—

Hank: Promotional?

Katherine: Promotional, for the most part.

Hank: Did your brother trend set you?

Katherine: Heck yes.

Hank: What did he trend set for you?

Katherine: I stole his clothes.

Hank: Oh, wow.

Katherine: So frequently.

Hank: And he was older than you and also a different gender.

Katherine: A very large boy, but it was the grunge time.

Hank: Yeah, it was the grunge time.

Katherine: He wasn't a large boy. He was an adult man, basically.

Hank: [laughs] He was a large boy!

Katherine: I'm not gonna go into specifics, but I definitely stole—

Hank: His fashion sense?

Katherine: No, his actual shirts. And wore them.

Hank: Because you thought they were cool. You thought his— what he wore was cool.

Katherine: Yeah, some of it. There were definitely things that he was into that I was like, too much! But then there were other things, and mostly musical things

Hank: Mm-hmm.

Katherine: That I was like, yes, I will be also into that, please, thank you. You know, he's seven years older than me, so there was a lot of, I mean, it was just very unattianable.

Hank: Right

Katheine: I couldn't be anything like, or, I couldn't be anything that he would ever be interested in.

Hank: Right. You would never be— yeah.

Katherine: No.

Hank: Right. Which isn't, that's not, like, a mean—

Katherine: Especially not—

Hank: That's not saying a mean thing about your brother.

Katherine: No.

Hank: It's just, like, just seven years older.

Katherine: It's not, I mean, seven years older and a girl. [Laughs] Not gonna be close as kids. You know, we weren't super antagonistic to one another either, though, so that was nice.

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Katherine: I mean, I - I became aware, of, like, the Grateful Dead,

Hank: Right

Katherine: And, also 311 - which, don't @ me.

Hank: There's nothing wrong with 311

Katherine: Okay, just don't - I don't wanna get @'s, that's why I'm saying I don't wanna get @'s about it. *laughs*

Hank: Ah, you got me into 311. And I like 311! It hasn't stuck around in our lives as much as

Katherine: Not as much

Hank: Some other bands

Katherine: Yeah

Hank: But

Katherine: But my - my brother also did have Flood

Hank: Oh, did he?

Katherine: Yes, and I did listen to his c- physical copy of that album.

Hank: Right

Katherine: I specifically remember listening to that album and, and being like, "This is weird, do I like this?" And it didn't stick with me f- like, at that point.

Hank: mhm

Katherine: But when I got to college, definitely came back and I was into it again

Hank: Yeah. I remember being like, "Sh- Katherine knows They Might Be Giants songs,"

Katherine: Yes

Hank: "She's cool!"

Katherine: I have heard of, I have heard of them,

Hank: *laughs*

Katherine: I have - yes

Hank: That's all, that's all it takes for me. Anybody who, who

Katherine: I still remember that... Listenin' to that, um, "Dead"?

Hank: Yeah?

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: I think that's what it's called.

Katherine: The one about the bag of groceries?

Hank: Yeah.

Katherine: I still remember listening... to that song and being like, "This is... a weird song!"

Hank: *laughs*

Katherine: This song is about not the normal things that songs are about!

Hank: Hahaha it's so tr-

Katherine: Right?

Hank: Yeah! Yeah.

Katherine: And just being like, "Interesting!"

Hank: Heh, so it's not about, like—

Katherine: "Odd!"

Hank: Love, or partying

Katherine: No, yeah!

Hank: Or heartbreak

Katherine: Right, yeah

Hank: Or fffrick, fuckin'

Katherine: pffffffft

*both laugh*

Katherine: Heh, gonna have to nick that,

Hank: I don't know

Katherine: "Nick that one out," I said!

Hank: You're gonna have to Nick it out, that's great!

Katherine: *snaps*

Hank: Nick's not even editing this podcast YET

Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: Uhhhm, I

Katherine: I'm gonna

Hank: Hehe, so far we've, I've left the curses in

Katherine: Oh, that's great

Hank: I left the curses from last week. I'm not really going for the broadest appeal with this podcast?

Katherine: Alright.

Hank: Um

Katherine: I guess the babies aren't gonna listen to it

Hank: Yep

Katherine: No cool babies?

 (20:00) to (22:00)

Hank: Oh, cool babies can listen, but not, nn, not... Kids. Um...

Katherine: *laughs* Okay!

Hank: *laughs* Orin can listen. Alright, so we're on Tuesday now,

Katherine: Wow!

Hank: and I'm so- and I'm s-

Katherine: We got so far in!

Hank: And I'm s... Well, it gets...

Katherine: We're on TUESDAY, guys!

Hank: It gets lighter as we go on

Katheirne: Alright

Hank: Because I go to Portland.

Katherine: Okay.

Hank: Um, and I'm sub-tweeting Neil DeGrasse Tyson saying "If you think you can summarize what is and is not art in one tweet... "

Katherine: *sighs*

Hank: "... you might not... not actually think that much about art."

Katherine: Okay...

Hank: A *LOT*...

Katherine: Well then if you were going to, uh...

Hank: Open the curtain on that one?

Katherine: Yeah. 'Cause I was like, "whoa!"

Hank: *laughs*

Katherine: That's the subbest of subtweets!

Hank: I think most people understood what was going on, 'cause—

Katherine: Subtweets!

Hank: 'Cause that, that, uh, NGDT, uh, or NDGT, tweet got a lot of, of play, um, and a lot of criticism. I had— I had two different friends write whole blog posts about it.

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: Um, and...

Katherine: I bet they did.

Hank: And, yeah. So— and his, his tweet got fifty-nine, sixty thousand likes. Um, bears repeating. *laughs* Oh, Max Temkin's tweet about this was the best. He said, "Why are bears repeating this inane, inane comemnt about art?"

Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: Neil said, "Bears repeating. Creativity that satisfies and affirms your worldview is entertainment. Creativity that challenges and disrupts your worldview is art." And I don't—like, this is an, this is an interesting perspective, but it should not be said as if it is a fact.

Katherine: Right? You don't—no. No one, no one gets to decide—

Hank: Yeah, I mean—

Katherine: What art is.

Hank: I mean, I, like, I—we had a class in college that was basically "what is art?" and it did not answer the question.

Katherine: No.

Hank: And that's the whole point. And then, I—

Katherine: You cannot answer that question.

Hank: —had a lot of people respond to this tweet by trying to explain what art is in one tweet, and all of them were inadequate, as expected.

Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: I don't know why you thought that was a callout for me to tell you to do the impossible thing...

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Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: people who tweeted at me.

Katherine: Aw. Yeah. It's all right.

Hank: But that's okay.

Katherine: It's fine. You got people thinking about art.

Hank: Right.

Katherine: Heyyy!

Hank: I guess, but also I'm like, why do I gotta come at—at Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

Katherine: Yeah. I mean—

Hank: 'Cause the last thing I want—

Katherine: That one's on the list.

Hank: The last thing I want is to, like, I have— I mean, he is infuriating sometimes though.

Katherine: A- agreed. Agreed. But, um, this, it's like, th- it's the thing where you're like, are we working towards the same goals broadly?

Hank: Yeah. Probably.

Katherine: Are—so should I be criticising this person who is—

Hank: Well, I—

Katherine: —mostly on my team, all of the time, usually? Or...

Hank: Well, I definitely think that I should criticise people that are on my team. A hundered percent. I think that that's, that's part of the problem is that we—when we don't criticise people that are on our team, I tend to, when I'm friends with those people, critis—like, let them know personally in direct messges—

Katherine: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Hank: or inst—or text messages, or just, like—

Katherine: I just feel like we have—we have such a, we... like, come at the people who—

Hank: Yes.

Katherine: —are so close to us.

Hank: That is true. And it—

Katherine: So much more harshly, a lot of the time.

Hank: Yeah.

Katherine: For some reason, because we're like—

Hank: Yeah, why—

Katherine: F- We feel way more—

Hank: Why are—why are you ninety percent of the way there

Katherine: Yeah

Hank: And not all of the way to where I am?

Katherine: Yeah, we feel, like, way more let down

Hank: Yeah

Katherine: When they don't get it the way we want them to get it or something.

Hank: Mm-hmm.

Katherine: I guess. You know?

Hank: That's totally true, and I—yeah.

Katherine: And so, I—what—I just really hate that, when—when we're, like, attack the people who are, like...

Hank: Mm-hmm.

Katherine: You know, broadly, like, on your side, and working for the same things that you're working for, and—

Hank: Which is why it shouldn't come as an attack, and this was—

Katherine: Right, exactly.

Hank: This was, I don't know what you would call this, but it—

Katherine: Uh... it's a little, it's a little—

Hank: It—it's not quite an attack

Katherine: No.

Hank: But it's definitely snarky

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: And it's definitely a subtweet, and

Katherine: It's not, not really necessary.

Hank: Yeah.

Katherine: Didn't—didn't add much to the

Hank: And I've been trying to do more of, like—

Katherine: To the good conversation.

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Hank: Here's—here is how somebody who's not like you is going to hear what you have said.

Katherine: Yeah

Hank: And—and why that's going to do harm. In the process of it doing good.

Katherine: Yeah, which is where—where these next few tweets sort of head...

Hank: Yeah, so I—

Katherine: ... I guess?

Hank: I start to talk about gun control. Um.

Katherine: *laughs*

Hank: 'Cause that's—

Katherine: 'Cause you just can't help yourself.

Hank: Well, I think its important.

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: So, I just saw a speech that going viral in conservative circles arguing that mass shootings can be blamed on welfare, abortions, and, qoute, "various cultural changes that began in the 60's."

Katherine: *scoffs*

Hank: This-- the part where he said various cultural changes that began in the 60's to me seemed, so saavy.

Katherine: Mmm...

Hank: And so upsetting.

Katherine: Yep.

Hank: Because what people like him are gonna hear when he says that is... people who are like him, who are not rascists, are gonna think, "We have become-- like, our morals became lax. Drugs happened, and, um, like, inner cities happened, and, like, the sexual revolution happened, and birth control happened, and-- and abortion happened, and all these things that led to the degrade-- the degrading of families.

Katherine: Hmm...

Hank: And what... the rascists are gonna hear is segregation ended.

Katherine: Yep.

Hank: And what... the left leaning-- left are gonna hear is the same thing. That this guy is racist, and he's saying that this all started when, like, the-- the fabric of society was being held together by segregation, when that ended. And so-- and so they're gonna come at him--

Katherine: Thats what I thought when I read your tweet.

Hank: So they're gonna come at him for being a racist, and he's gonna say, "Everytime anybody on the right says anything they're a racist!" And all the, like, y'know, vast majority of the middle on his side is gonna be like, "Yeah, thats seemes unreasonable, because he was obviously talking about birth control. And the sexual revoltuion, and all of these---

Katherine: Yeah. Feminism.

Hank: Yeah.

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Hank: (continued) All of these things that--

Katherine: (laughs)

Hank: And--and like, his point was, and this was so upsetting, it was so deep-- like, infuriating, and I did everything I could not to be mad about it as I was tweeting it. What he was saying was, "These changes, these government policies, led to it becoming more likely that families would break up." So basically, government policies that led to the deterioration of families...

Katherine: Ugh.

Hank: ...because it gave women the power to get out of families, like, to get out of marriages they didn't want to be in.

Katherine: Right, right.

Hank: And thus, it created...

Katherine: Because there were social safety nets for them...

Hank: Yeah.

Katherine: ...if they left their husbands.

Hank: Right, they could leave, financially. Um, and that--and be--and thus...

Katherine: Tragedy!

Hank: have more broken homes, and "most mass shooters come from broken homes." And I was like, Ahhhh, how could anybody listen to that and think the solution, to like-- I, I'm perfectly willing to say that  this is a complicated thing, that isn't just caused by guns, it's caused by lots of different things. It's caused by despair, it's caused by toxic masculinity, it's caused by the availability of guns, it's caused by lots of things. But I'm not willing to say, "Well, the thing that we should put limits on is the rights of women to leave situations they don't-- that they want to leave." I didn't tweet any of that fury, and...

Katherine: (laughs)

Hank: ...I think that's okay.

Katherine: It's, it's--yes, I do too. I mean, just sitting through it right now, next to you...

Hank: (laughs)

Katherine: ...was...ughhhh...

Hank: Are you okay?

Katherine: I feel tired.

Hank: Do you feel stressed out, like I...

Katherine: Yeah.

Hank: ...made the world worse?

Katherine: No, not wor-- Not-- I

Hank: Or just made it look worse?

Katherine: No, what you say can't make the world worse, but, um...

Hank: Oh, yeah it can.

Katherine: tired. (laughs)

Hank: (laughs) Okay, we're gonna move on then. 

Katherine: Well.

Hank: And the next day I started looking at some of the students from the school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, and started reading some of their tweets, and feeling good about it.

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